Chief Maku: I'm still under the Weather. In here you get the
flu, and nobody gives you any medicine. You get Pneumonia, they
pretend you don't have anything, and they try to give Tylenol or
Benadryl, for everything. It amazing you see so many men,
Elderly men walking around here sick and you see they have
Asthma, they can't breathe or Pneumonia. And they're asking for
the Medicine, the have people giving the Medicine that's not
even Nurses, there's no in house doctor.
Chief Maku: Ok, But we'll make it, The Most High Will take us
Interviewer: That's Right.
Chief Maku: Go Ahead.
Interviewer: Um, now It's my understanding that the Federal
Government has gain Jurisdiction over this case because of a
move that you made from New York To Georgia sometimes back in
1993. Um, what was your reason for moving to Georgia?
Chief Maku: Well, actually we moved back down to Georgia because
this is where our Roots are, our Families lived in Georgia for
one. Out of Georgia all the way up as far as Virginia, from
South Carolina, to Virginia, all the way up through New York,
which is the Shinocock, all the way to the Pecos, and as far as
Massachusetts, Massachusetts Indians; Where our Family Settled.
But our original roots, where we moved, was down south in
Georgia, in a place called Altamaha, right? And I've always
longed to come back home, when I finished my retirement in New
York in 1988 and I moved up State and I encountered so much. The
Weather was so harsh, in up State New York, it was freezing up
there in the Cascade Mountains; I couldn't deal with that
weather. So I told Kathy Johnson, lets find a place right down
where our roots are, so we found out that "Rock Eagle mound" was
there. So we said let's get some where near that Rock Eagle,
because my name was given to me by my Great Grandmother, Black
Eagle; which is Black Thunderbird. And we wanted to be near our
own Tribal Ancestors, the old ones. So we moved down here, I
moved down here, she didn't moved here. But I was rushed down
before I was suppose to come, because there was a death
assassination on my life by Ahabs, right? And so that made me
jump up and in one night and grab my son, Ishmael, and who his
real name is Dwight By the Way, it's not my name and Hagar, one
of my Daughters originally from Trinidad. And Come down here, ahh, to Georgia, to Putnam County where we had found the Land.
We bought the land from a man who was from Holland, he was a
Dutch; very nice gentleman. And the land was beautiful, had nice
lakes on it; didn't have much property on it. And if I said it
was a good place to bring the family, until we was all settling
down here that was the only people that I was bringing down
Interviewer: Ok, now in the movement, at some point and time you
did move to from Putnam County, did that have something to do
with the Civil Suit?
Chief Maku: We were dealing with Harassment by sheriff Howard
Richard Sills and his clan members, that they continued to
harass us and stop us with intimidation. And even more into
breaking it up with Violence, for someone to get hurt,
especially myself, my Family, or Kids. So i decided it's Best
for me to relocate to another part of Georgia, which his Clark
County, in Athens. So we went over there, we lived there, we
rent an Apartment for a while; until we could search out a
house. And we found a Apartment, we moved to the Apartment and
then from there we did some research with the Real Estate People
and then 155 Mansfield, correct? With a large enough house so we
could set up a business in it, because it legal to have a
business inside your house. So we set a legal business, went
down town; registered the Business as a mailing business and
distribute out Books and anything that comes through our
organization and set up there. We were doing well for a while,
until Sills found out where we were at and then he started his
mess over there too.
Interviewer: now but the property as far as part of the research
that I've done. in February 2002, there was a Civil Case Cd1-1
if I'm not mistaken?
Chief Maku: Um Huh.
Interviewer: And at that point and time, that's when Hugh
Winfield put on record that the Property in Putnam, did not
Belong too you , is that correct?
Chief Maku: That's correct. In fact he Made his statement very
clear, that I had no interest, which is very important; because
that picks up all of the monetary into seeing he has no interest
in the property. I had no interest in it, nothing to gain,
nothing to lose. That does not give me the right not to visit
there, I can visit there like anybody else because I wasn't
restricted or ban.
Chief Maku: You follow, but it was not my property, I did not
owned the property, the property was owned by the Evans family,
the Richardson family.
Interviewer: Ok, now since this case is out, I'm talking about
the immediate case, I've done my own research of the
characteristic of a pedophile. And I remember back in May, that
Sheriff Howard Richard Sills, classified you as a Pseudo
Pedophile; which Blatantly violated your Constitutional Rights
being that your in Prison.
Chief Maku: He's a very sick man.
Interviewer: Right. But Some characteristic that I remember,
individuals live with they're parents, or may not be married.
They're always are secluded and avoid being in the Public and
things of that nature. Now what is it about your way of Life
that proves that you do not fit in this profile of a pedophile?
Chief Maku: Well the funny part of it is, that first of all that
Sheriff Howard Richard Sills them say they were investigating me
from 1997, when they first got the letter from Pauline Roger,
Interviewer: Um Huh.
Chief Maku: And when they ask him in Court, about what kind of
investigation they did? They said we have investigated him going
in and out of Restaurants. That's not hiding from the public.
Chief Maku: Ah, we have investigated him from going back and
forth on multiple trips to Disney World, in the midst of
thousand of people and that's not secluded or private, that's
public. Other than that I took adults down there and Wedding
Couples and even paid they're way there as a wedding gift.
Because I love going to these exciting places.
Interviewer: Right. I been keeping up with the various News
Articles involving the Yamassee Native American Moors of the
Chief Maku: Yeah.
Interviewer: Since the migration to your home here in Eatonton,
since in 1993,
Chief Maku: Yes.
Interviewer: In these articles they classify the Land as a
compound, the tribe as a Cult. I been on the land myself and
I've seen no gated entered entrances,
Chief Maku: Right.
Interviewer: Or armed Guards as the Media may want to betray, in
the minds of the public. Why do you feel the Media has painted
Chief Maku: Well because they were doing it during a period of
time, when they were doing the David Koresh, thing. And Sills
people be trying to packaged it with David Koresh and the Star
people, I forgot they're name and you know those cults, which
are usually Caucasian killing themselves anyway. They're not
going to tell you that there are Euro American, killing
themselves, right? And or Christian killing themselves, So he
feels that it's a idea time to mix the two and that's why he
punch out that time. And he started calling the land ah
Compound, that's another mistake they make, cause in the court;
they let Mr. Moultrie, makes statements and they say some people
stay in tents, by saying the people from the compound and we
wouldn't call it compound. Or Dwight, no one would call me
Dwight, cause they know that's not my name, little things like
that. That were revealing that conspiracy, coming from Sills,
you know; disguising his offices and going out passing out
flyers. And doing a whole bunch of getting on the Internet and
trying to incite the Judge, who was on his side anyway; so it
doesn't take much. You follow? So I think the whole concept of
making it look like a Religious cult, was very, what you call
perfect timing. It is was suited to tie in with David Koresh,
and a bunch of other crazy stuff that was out with Euro
Americans. So they needed something out there that was under
Euro Americans, to balance the Scales and they choose us. And
like you said there no gates, it's not gated in. Anybody that
visit on that land or stayed on the land, can walk in any of the
four direction: North, South, East, West and can walk off the
land; they're not confined there. Family are free to walk there,
visitor come on, there's no course to walk on. There's a gate
that you pass through, so people know your coming in to tell you
where to park your car. Or the legal Security Guard that's
always been there, like any other Park or Recreational, or
Private Venue. Where people want people to be directed in the
right direction, so they don't walk into people private houses
or whatever the case may be.
Interviewer: Right, now ah, what is the United Nuwaubian Nation
Chief Maku: Well now United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, is a
conglomeration of all the different organizations that are talking
about liberating themselves. It involves people in the Hebrew
Israelites, involves people that are Black Muslims, involved
Five Percenters, Gods and Goddesses, Nubian Islamic Hebrews, The
Ansarullah Community, Nation of Islam, Egyptologists, you know
Africans; Yoruba, everybody. You know it's a place that is set
up where a Nation, set up the United Nuwaubian Nation Of Moors,
Right? The word United is some self explanatory, like I said
before I will not give you'll the meaning of Nuwaubian, because
they keep using it I'm one day going to put them on the spot and
ask them what does it mean, right? So The United Nuwaubian
Nation is obviously and Moors, (Morenos)Which is a Latin word
meaning dark skin or Brown. Which as oppose to the Nigra, which
also means black. So it's talking about a group of people who
came from Morocco and here and settled here and mixed in with
the Indians who was already here; which is us. You follow?
Interviewer: Yes I do.
Chief Maku: Combined all of that to make like a unity amongst
Interviewer: Ok, now are you indeed the Leader of the United
Chief Maku: No. Nor am I the founder of the Nuwaubians, that's
another hoaxes, the ideal for Mr. Howard Richard Sills and more
slander and defamation of Character by the way. I'm not the
leader, if they look on Sunrise albums back in the 60's, if they
look on Karl Sanders, album they'll find on the back of that
album the word Nuwaupo was already there; before. There's books
written back in 1963 and are on record in Washington D.C.
"Behind the 9 Ball" and quite a few other books that they don't
have me down as the author or the Publisher or a part of that
Publishing Company at all. You Follow? So it was something new
and exciting, they grab it and they knew nobody down here would
know what it is; so they would really investigate it. And so
they they threw the name out there, no I'm not the sole leader.
I was a Teacher and I was a Lecturer, and I still am a Teacher
and I still am a Lecturer. And if they ask me to come lecture on
a certain Questions, I make myself available and I'll answer
question. If they decide to donate toward me, a free will
offering for they're services, I appreciate it; if they don't
that's the will of the Most High.
Interviewer: Right. now as a Black Indian Tribe Correct me if
I'm saying this wrong?
Chief Maku: Yeah, we don't like to be called Black, but we'll
live with it. Cause people don't understand.
Interviewer: Ok, now are there other Races that make up your
Tribe and what is your position on Racism?
Chief Maku: Oh yeah, because our tribe are broken up from
everything from what you call Pure blood all the way straight
down, to full blood you know all the way out. And people inter
Marry different races of people, they all belong to the same
tribe; they're all Yamassee, yeah. It's not restricted to any
race, it's not a black thing as they call it.
Interviewer: Ok. and what is it, cause I know the Public likes
to portray groups of this Nation, having something to do with
racial issues, and what's your position on Racism in itself?
Chief Maku: Well my position of Racism is very clear in several
books that I wrote, that they want make public, they want let
the public know about. For instant um "Are there Black Devils" I
wrote a whole book, because so many people been calling the
white man the devil; as long as I can remember. Through the
Cultural Revolution, that I'm saying wait a minute we got a
whole lot of Black people that's the devil too. The Devil does
not come on in shades or colors, the devil could be black or
white, it could be any doggone body.
Chief Maku: You know what I'm saying?
Chief Maku: So I made it very clear, in fact I made a statement
many years ago, " No one wins in the Race in Racism". And I
think the thing is it's very convenient for people like Sills
and them who are obviously Racist. To use that because it look
like a black organization, because we identify with Egypt,
because we identify with Native Americans, who are darker skin
to make it look like a racial issue. It's convenient for him to
stir Euro Americans, get them upset, to make it look like some
black group out there doing this. Using the word Cult, and the
word Cultural is over looked because of they're Misuse of the
word Cult and they don't understand English.
Interviewer: Right. Now I've read in many articles that they
state the Nuwaubians, quote, un quote; have claim to be Muslims,
Christians and Jews. And have been Classified as a Religion?
Chief Maku: You can be a Nuwaubian, and you can be a Muslim, a
Christian, a Jew, a Buddhist. You could be a Clown, you can be a
police officer, you can be a Sheriff, you can be a Ice cream
sandwich. you can be anything you want to call yourself and
still be Nuwaubian. That's why I'm not going to tell them what
Nuwaubian means, cause they think they know. Nuwaubian, has
nothing to do with Religion, Nuwaubians are not a Religion, in
any form or fashion.
Interviewer: Ok, now have you ever said or are you saying that
you are God?
Chief Maku: Never ever have I, well so far lets stop it, the
word God has no strong variance; because it's a German word,
gutt; it just means good. If you were talking to a Moslem, he
would use the word Allah, if you talk to a Jew he would use the
word Adonai, You know? If your talking to a Buddhist, he might
use Buddha, if your talking to a Zoroaster's, he might use, you
follow? So Americans, are very, they like to play words games
and the language is very weak. So they think when you say, that
I'm a god they say ah well see! If you open a Bible, too, the
Bible that they believe in Psalm 82:6 your going to read in
there law "That I said ye are gods." And this is David speaking
about his people. "Is it not written in your Law I said your
god." But you have to look in the Hebrew to see the Word Elohiym,
to know that the Elohiym, Ellyuwn, Eloh and then you go to the
New Testament of course that went into Greek and that got really
distorted. So it really messed up the relationship between The
Most High and Jesus. or Issa, Yashua, Al Mashiyach. So no I've
never claimed to be the Creator of the Boundless Universe, nor
have I claimed to be the God of The universe. In Fact, I've
wrote several books saying I don't claimed to be. And I told
them right there, I don't claim to be Jesus, I don't claim to be
God, I don't claim to be, you follow?
Interviewer: I do.
Chief Maku: The Book is still in circulation and there Pyramid
numbers on all of our books and you can get it from the
Interviewer: So your Books are international is what your
Chief Maku: That's right my books are International, and have
been translated into other languages and others are still
Interviewer: Ok, well I do want to continue um these questions,
so would you call back?
Chief Maku: I'll call you back........
Our Maku calls back momentarily and connects with interviewer.
Interviewer begins with a continuation of questions from
previous call between herself and our Maku.
Interviewer: Ok, now uh, Chief Black Thunderbird Eagle are you
saying that you are totally innocent of these charges?
Chief Maku: I'm saying I'm totally innocent, this is a long term
plot with the restrictions that the community set up. Our
philosophy is that they're not suppose to have sex until they're
married, you follow? And that they're not allowed to drink
Alcohol, or smoke Cigarettes, or listen to hardcore or vulgar
Rapp or those things, or wear explicit clothes anything in that
nature. We as Native Americans are Culture, and we believe in a
part of Modesty and modest apparel, You Follow? These kids
wanted to get involved, because the Land was so open. So they
would see street kids come on and the girls would have on all
this Blond hair, extinctions and Wigs and Perms and the tight
pants and all that. And they would be attracted to that; and
that caused a problem. By the time the Estrogen set in on these
kids, you know what I mean? They start to going to that teenage
stage, they started rebelling, fighting with they're Mother,
sneaking up the hill; seeing boys and all kind of things; and I
just couldn't take it no more.
Interviewer: Hmmm. Now why do you feel there's a conspiracy to
have you incarcerated, either by the Government, or what I
understand to be those that left the Tribe?
Chief Maku: Ok the Children are tools being used by the State
first, the Government is also being manipulated by the State.
The Government step in, Right; to do a State a favor, and didn't
know the State was lying to them. Howard Richard Sills, and a
hand full of his Cronies, down in Oconee Circuit area, the lake
People; a bunch of Racist, who's been racist. We done a whole
research on they're whole history, there's been Clans,
Confederates, and Sherwin march through there. And they're
trying to Hold on the Old good old boys mentality, they hated us
from the day we pop up. So he just had to wait until the right
time, he tried everything, from every kind of violation, from
the door knobs are to low, the lights in the wrong places,
there's no exit sign. And was closing everything as fast as we
we're building it, closing as fast as we were building.
Meanwhile I had applied for my Indigenous Status, so I could
eliminated being involved with him at all. But I had to go ahead
and continue dealing with it, until that paper work came
through, you follow? So he would block everything, and take us
to court and take us to court and he would lose and he would
lose, and they would lie. They would alter Permits, and it went
on, when they finally realized that that was not going to work.
When the Judge finally exonerated me, he had to come up with a
good one. So he looked for disgruntled Children that had been
thrown off the Land, for all kind of things that I don't want to
discuss right now and used them. And the Government part is they
were being manipulated by the State, the State wanted to stop us
in our Doctrine. Cause Sills themselves took the time to read
our Books and he knows who he is and what he is, to us. And
therefore he wants the World to stop getting Books but it's to
late. It's far to late, I have over 407 Books circulating in
different languages and their constantly coming out, there's no
way they can stop this Doctrine from spreading now. The more
attention they're giving us now, with what they're doing now,
has made the organization increase by Millions already. They
done it they're own selves, just by torturing me. The put in the
Model position, they put me in the great person position;
they're doing it.
Interviewer: Right. Now um, I came across a Video and I thought
it was going to be one of your lecture tape, but it was actually
a Video during a Dr. York era, um you had Music Video's out
probably the late 80's,
Chief Maku: Yeah, that's right.
Interviewer: The late 90's?
Chief Maku: Yeah, that's right, Yeah. Had a Modeling Agency, had
my own Video company, I owned my own Production Company. I had
several groups out with tapes on the Charts, I produced quite a
few prominent Artists. I had my own Albums out, and my Records
sold over seas, all through Europe, and the far East, and even
here, climbing the Charts as Dr. York, The Love man. That's
Interviewer: Now you also did quite a bit of traveling during
your time, how man different Countries have you been too?
Chief Maku: Ah. I been, dam near all over the World, excuse my
Interviewer: That's that's nice. Now is there anything that you
would like to say before we end this interview, that would let
the Public see your side of the Story, that has been Blatantly
misrepresented over the last 2 years?
Chief Maku: The main thing I would like them to notice is; why
would they want to close the Court, if they had all this good
filth and the Public loves filth. All this lust, and all this
violence, and all this pornography and all this Child
Molestation, why would they be trying to hide that? They're not
trying to hide the people, because the people are not Kids no
more. Why are trying to keep the Public from hearing this case
publicly? Cause I remember Mr. Bright, when he jump on the Case,
when the new Indictment was 200 and something Charges, back
about a year and a half ago. The first thing he said was the
article in the Atlanta Constitution, was I want to make sure
everybody hears every detail of this case. That came out of Mr.
Fred Bright mouth in the Newspaper, you can look it up. So now
all of a sudden what happen? All of a sudden they don't want no
one to hear, they want hide down in Brunswick, closed the Court,
selected Jury, Cable T. V. them, So they can edited away the
truth. There trying to hide the truth from the Public, I want
the public to demand to want to see every detail of this case
and monitor every detail figure, so they can see that this is a
lie. This is a plot to stop our Indigenous Status as The Native
Interviewer: Hmmm, Well I really appreciate you doing this
Chief Maku: It's my pleasure.
Interviewer: And I know this will be a Victory for You.
Chief Maku: Thank you very Much.
Chief Maku: Wadu
Attorney Jonathan Marks and Judge C, Ashley
Royal sabotaging Malachi Z York's changes of judgment of
acquittal or new trial before it reason the court of appeal
judges this is illegal
Malachi York filed Pro-Se motion to reinstate the
trial motions that Jonathan Marks Sabotaged on August 13, 2004
when he withdraw Attorney Adrian Patrick's trial error motions
with no reason given to the court
Judge C Ashley Royal denying Malachi Z York Pro-Se
motion asking to reinstate Attorney Adrian Patrick's trial error
motion 1 New trial motion and Judgment for acquittal